{"id":2688,"date":"2009-02-11T22:49:31","date_gmt":"2009-02-11T22:49:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/communicatescience.com\/zoonomian\/?p=2688"},"modified":"2009-02-12T00:37:14","modified_gmt":"2009-02-12T00:37:14","slug":"very-little-can-stop-the-train-sir-david-king-on-media-reporting-and-mmr","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/communicatescience.com\/zoonomian\/2009\/02\/11\/very-little-can-stop-the-train-sir-david-king-on-media-reporting-and-mmr\/","title":{"rendered":"“Very Little Can Stop The Train” Sir David King On Media Reporting and MMR"},"content":{"rendered":"

I’ve just returned from the annual British Humanist Association<\/a> Darwin Day Lecture, this year delivered by Sir David King at a session chaired by Richard Dawkins.<\/p>\n

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Sir David King and Professor Richard Dawkins at the BHA Darwin Day Lecture 2009 (photo Tim Jones)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

King is a former Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK Government, and now heads up a multi-disciplinary organisation tackling climate change – The Smith School of Enterprise and the Environment- at Oxford University.<\/p>\n

His talk entitled\u00a0 ‘Can British Science Rise to the New Challenges of the Twenty First Century?’ was very similar in content to one I watched him give at a PAWS event in November, and dealt less with British Science, and more with the complexities of tackling global climate change. \u00a0 There were some new angles, but I’d refer you to my previous blog HERE<\/a> – inspired by Sir David’s earlier talk – rather than repeat myself.\u00a0\u00a0 I believe a podcast of tonight’s event will appear on the BHA site in due course.<\/p>\n

So perhaps, given the greater relevance to current debate over poor media reporting of science, and particularly that related to MMR (and the Goldacre\/LBC radio encounter<\/a>), you’d like to hear what Sir David volunteered tonight on that subject.\u00a0 It came up in response to a question from the floor about the Daily Mail.\u00a0 Sir David’s transposed response:<\/p>\n

“We’ve now got a measles epidemic growing in this country, and the measles epidemic is the result directly of a very poor piece of science from John Wakefield, somehow being published in the Lancet – should never have been published – the database was far too small.\u00a0 And then gaining momentum in the media, and it’s not only the Daily Mail, John Humphreys was one of those pushing that… that the connection between MMR and autism raised real questions, and the take-up of the MMR vaccine began to fall very dramatically.\u00a0 And my prediction a few years ago was that we would approach something like a hundred deaths a year from, amongst children, from measles as a measles outbreak occured, inevitably. <\/em><\/p>\n

If you do models and you drop below 80% uptake of the vaccine, the measles must come back.\u00a0 Of course the Daily Mail’s campaign was one of the instruments that got people very worried about that particular issue.\u00a0 So I think that was an example where the science was so clear.\u00a0 Let me tell you.\u00a0 There was a Danish study of all the children born in Denmark over ten years of whom 15% had not had the MMR vaccine, and 85% had.\u00a0 The statistical incidence of autism in the two groups was the same. \u00a0 Now just to be on the…on the…..when I say the same within statistical error.\u00a0 The nice thing was, from the point of view of those who were sceptics, that amongst the group who didn’t have the vaccine, there was a slight larger number- larger percentage – with autism.\u00a0 Now any parent worrying about the situation, just needs surely to be given that set of statistics, and yet the Daily Mail wouldn’t publish it when I went to them. \u00a0 What am I saying, <\/em>[finding his words]well, it rarely gets their story right.\u00a0 There is…there is a sort of disbelief, but I’m afraid when a newspaper is running a campaign, there’s very little can stop the train<\/em>”<\/p>\n

To which Richard Dawkins, with a look of amazement and with apparent reference to the Daily Mail not printing the Denmark evidence, said – “I’m shocked<\/em>”<\/p>\n


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